Friday, November 03, 2006
All I can do is shake my head at the spectacular hypocrisy of
Ted Haggard, leader of the National Association of Evangelicals. Apparently, Ted was in bed with a 49 year old male hooker. The good news is - at least it wasn't a page boy. I give props to the whore with a moral core for still getting paid twenty years past his prime and exposing this hypocrite.
Interestingly, the accuser said that the irreverent reverend liked to tweak on Tina, making him the first (alleged) PNP preacher. No wonder why Haggard had so much energy on TV!!!
Haggard says he isn't a homo, but then why did he resign? It makes no sense. Plus - and let's be honest - Hag looks like a fag. He's queer as a 3 dollar bill. I believe the charges. Even my parents outed him in the film Jesus Camp a few weeks ago. Teddy, it's time to come out!
Finally, are there any straight right wing preachers or Republicans left?
48 Comments:
Wayne, we're winning, and a rule of thumb is when your winning keep your mouth closed.
"I told you so" is fun but try and say it using more grown up words.
I remain your loyal follower.
posted by , at
11/03/2006 2:15 PM
Agreed R. I think we need to wait for some more info before responding as if we know it's true.
http://richardbourbon.blogspot.com/2006/11/haggard-resigns-amid-scandal.html
posted by Richard Bourbon, at
11/03/2006 2:23 PM
Maybe "Porno" Pete LaBarbara can counsel him. He's studied homosexuality....a LOT.
Nawwwww, he'd just bend Haggard over his desk and bone him.
posted by , at
11/03/2006 4:01 PM
No doubt all the evidence is not in, but he does look pretty guilty. It's hard as hell to not be a bit glib at his downfall. In truth, it's all very tragic. Being a Baptist minister and gay, I understand the struggle that Haggard has gone through and will continue to go through. My hope is that he can find his integrity in a supportive environment. My suggestion is let's not crucify him, but rather pray that he may turn out to be a powerful convert for our side.
R. Mark
Herkimer, NY
posted by , at
11/03/2006 4:17 PM
His eyes were closed. He can niether confirm nor deny what that was that he felt. Hahahaha
posted by , at
11/03/2006 5:14 PM
Have you seen the picture of Mike Jones? He may be 'old' but he's built like a brick house. I'm sure Ted Hag was getting prostate massages from him as well.
I love that all the bad karma is finally coming back to these sanctimonious repressed hypocritcal gay-bashing mofo fuckwads! Sorry Rev Mark, I know it's unchristian and unbuddhist, but after all the endless misery they've caused glbt people and others as well, they are the last pieces of shit that i would waste a prayer on. May they all roast in Dante's inner circles of hell!!
posted by , at
11/03/2006 5:15 PM
You're right. Kharma is a bitch. But the closet is a sad, dark and lonely place. Nevertheless, I am beyond feeling pity for these people. I do, however, feel great sorrow for the wife and kids.
posted by jekelhyde, at
11/03/2006 9:49 PM
I feel very sad for the family as well. He is a grown man who had every opportunity to live his life according to his principles and he chose not to. Whatever mask he is wearing (that of the straight preacher or that of the homosexual) he needs to figure out who the real man is. Unfortunately, he has indulged himself and hurt his family greatly. Either way he has behaved selfishly.
posted by , at
11/04/2006 12:23 AM
The prostitute who scandalized Jimmy Swaggart, a Ms. Debra Murphree, also failed a lie detector test when that story broke in 1988. Swaggart nonetheless confessed. It seems that many people fail these tests when under the stress of a breaking top news story. The evangelical community's house of cards has collapsed. The facade has been ripped away, and indeed, the truth really does set one free!
posted by , at
11/04/2006 7:18 AM
If Haggard claims he is not gay or had a gay relationship, then why on earth did he solicit the services of a male escort in the first place, massage or no massage? I find that a bit odd if not weird. NO straight male would do that. He could have asked for female escort instead. The man is in denial just as McGreevey was and all the rest of the self-loathing bigots who hide behind religion and denigrate our lives let alone deny us our rights. May they suffer eternally. I have no pity for any of them. The Log Cabiners have been pretty silent too.
Robert, NYC.
posted by , at
11/04/2006 9:42 AM
Was he passing? Or does he truly love his wife and family and like a little flavor on the side??
posted by , at
11/04/2006 1:13 PM
I mean - maybe he likes the mystery, deciet etc...
posted by , at
11/04/2006 1:18 PM
So what is your definition of love? I wouldn't do that to someone I love.
posted by jekelhyde, at
11/04/2006 1:48 PM
Nor would I. But people have all sorts of conflicts and gray areas. It might not be that he is gay but really does love his wife and family on one hand and does like the "darker" mysterious side of his life, too. Who is really to say except him. Just because he goes to an escort does not mean he is gay. It means he goes to a male escort for other kinds of fun. Anything more is speculation.
posted by , at
11/04/2006 1:52 PM
PUHLEEEEZZZZZ no *straight* man goes to a gay escort for any reason; and have you seen any film clips of him talking??!!! How do you say nancy, mary, nelly, swishy, fairy, queeny, maricon, tunte. If this clown isnt gay, NONE of us are!!
B. Queer
posted by , at
11/04/2006 2:45 PM
Well B Queer, he is married and enjoys that otherwise he would have given that up. Maybe he is bi sexual. I really do not think you know his heart. I doubt he does.
posted by , at
11/04/2006 4:59 PM
"The Log Cabiners have been pretty silent too."
Huh? That doesn't make sense at all. Log Cabin has nothing whatsoever to do with Ted Haggard other than fighting against him within the structure of the Republican Party. They've certainly never supported the guy in any way. In fact, I find it really unlikely that there is a single politician that was endorsed by both Haggard and LCR. It would be like finding a Democrat endorsed by both Sam Nunn and Stonewall.
posted by Timothy Kincaid, at
11/04/2006 6:21 PM
I am inclined to think he could be in the closet, I have learned that people who have a outspoken anti- gay stance usualy are putting up a front to hide it.
posted by , at
11/05/2006 2:27 AM
True. Of the ex gays I know - it's the ones who are most adamant against gay rights that seem to have more self loathing deep inside. Too bad and very sad and very revealing.
posted by , at
11/05/2006 12:20 PM
Part of me is delighted to see another gay-bashing bigot come to light as the hypocrite that he is. But I'm also starting to feel sorry for this guy. Nobody should have to live with that kind of self-loathing. But this is what happens when people surrender the right to think for themselves. Religion of any kind, but particularly the malevolent kind preached by these ultra-conservative evangelicals, demands that the follower just believe what he's told. Haggard did that, and even worse, preached it to thousands, and now he's paying the price.
I hope the so-called "ex-gay ministries" are paying attention. Haggard did just what they want gays to do: he played the part of a straight man. He got married and fathered children. He lived a lie, and he's hurt himself, his wife, his kids, his church, and I'm sure the rest of his family. Wouldn't it have been so much better if he'd learned early on that being gay is who he is and that's just fine?
I'm sick to death of these screeching religious types who cherry pick from the Bible and then beat people up with it. Haggard was one of those. On the one hand, he's getting what he deserves, but on the other, I hope he can learn to live with who he really is.
Patricia Hansen
Portland, Oregon
posted by , at
11/05/2006 3:31 PM
I know ex-gays and I am too sick and tired of people who pick on gays and then show up doing what some do. But not everyone is a bigot.
posted by , at
11/05/2006 4:42 PM
Since Peter LaBarbera has suggested Wayne Besen may be suffering from gay self hatred, it's somewhat injudicious for Besen to use a word like 'fag' to describe another gay man.
posted by , at
11/05/2006 9:35 PM
Well, Wayne seems to ridicule anyone and everyone who is not exactly like him! Hmmm, the whore with morals?? Fag?! And what about the gay men who do not look gay? Are they straight because they do not look gay? Wayne - you contradict yourself at every turn.
posted by , at
11/05/2006 10:36 PM
I think that what Wayne DOES do is heap scorn and derision on the people who deserve it. You have a "mega-hick church" that gears up to pass a Marriage Protection Amendment in Colorado while the guy walking across the stage with the Bible in his hand is secretly bedding down with a muscular male escort. Those people DESERVE as much disdain as we can all heap on them. Why? Because they don't have the courage to be honest or authentic about the real world. They prefer their delusions.
Personally, I'm sickened by these people. It is only natural and right to be repelled by them and the arrogant way that they push ideas and notions which are so obviously foolish to any thinking person. "Pastor Ted" now says that he has struggled with "that side" of him for his whole life.
Therein lies the problem: As long as religious zealots view gayness as a "problem" that should be ignored and fought against (while taking on a wife no less), they will continue to experience such embarrassing "falls from grace". Behind those phoney masks of holiness, however, it seems that grace never found a true home to begin with. "Freedom in Christ"? Really, now.
posted by , at
11/06/2006 9:39 AM
"Tweak on Tina"!!!! HYSTERICAL Wayne!!! Love it!!!!
posted by Todd, at
11/06/2006 2:30 PM
It was so interesting to read the forthcoming Michelangelo Signorile interview with Mike Jones and learn about how Haggard went about fulfilling himself sexually . . . the secrecy, the hypocrisy, the prostitute patronage, the sexual contact devoid of emotion or affection, the lights dimmed so he can't really see what's going on. The orgy fantasies straight out of a William Higgins porn movie. The combining of sex with drugs.
These are the actions of a man who feels his homosexual desires are depraved and shameful. He goes about having homosexual relations in a way that confirms his view of them. He thinks: "Gay sex is sick and the way I'm having it is proof of that." I think these closeted evangelicals have a deep emotional need for homosexuality to be all the bad things they say it is. They try to make it bad. Maybe it's not exciting to them unless it's bad!
There's one thing I'm absolutely convinced of, and it's that the obsession Bible fundamentalists have with Gay sex is unseemly! It masks a twisted desire to "defile" themselves by engaging in what they preach so fervently against. Basically, they talk about how loathsome Gay sex is just for the chance to talk about it! You can tell by how explicit some of them are willing to get. Why, they think nothing of inserting inappropriate language into a sermon, even with elderly women sitting in the front row of the church and children sitting behind them in the choir loft.
This is the essence of what I call "dirtylegs" religion!!! These so-called ministers of the Gospel are unable to concentrate on what's spiritual because they're obsessed with what's carnal. How many preachers have set the church on fire with anti-Gay rhetoric after the sight of a handsome young assistant pastor gave them a secret boner? I'll bet if we knew how many, the number would blow our minds! Shame-filled evangelists are in the process of working out their own psycho-sexual hang-ups, and they make us suffer while they do it. They hate our guts for daring to challenge the view of homosexuality as sin that they're so heavily invested in!
posted by DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at
11/06/2006 2:43 PM
Does anyone have a copy of Haggard's sermons? What has he said exactly on the subject of homosexuality? Not what have others said- but what has he said.
posted by , at
11/06/2006 2:57 PM
Stuffed Animal, do you have a link to that interview? I'm sure we'd all like to read that.
posted by , at
11/06/2006 3:32 PM
Follow this link to AmericaBlog:
http://americablog.blogspot.com/
Scroll down to the post titled "Signorile Interviews Fallen Evangelical Leader Ted Haggard's Male Hooker"
posted by DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at
11/06/2006 4:26 PM
to anon 10:36pm--i think wayne used the word fag in the same way that i hear blacks calling each other the N word when they get angry. I've done it myself. Is it ok---no not really. Is it human nature---yup! And for that matter; I'm Italian and have often heard relatives call another relative or friend at whom they were angry, a wop or dego.
posted by , at
11/06/2006 6:38 PM
I, also, call my friends "fags" but there is not hostility or hatred involved. That is the difference.
Stuffed Animal, I agree with you and your assessment almost makes me feel sorry for this man. But I can't. I tend more to feel sorry for the rest of us, who are unwarrented victims of his self-hatred and others like him.
posted by jekelhyde, at
11/06/2006 9:04 PM
I think it's time for a new subject post.
posted by , at
11/07/2006 9:57 AM
posted by DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at
11/07/2006 2:00 PM
Haggard has the opportunity right now to take advantage of a second chance, but judging by what I read about him lately, he sure doesn't seem to be headed in that direction. Check out this news excerpt from the website 365gay.com:
"In a statement read at the church Sunday, Haggard confessed to unspecified 'sexual immorality,' accepted responsibility for his actions and asked forgiveness. (James)Dobson will join pastor Jack Hayford of The Church on the Way in Van Nuys, Calif. and the pastor Tommy Barnett of First Assembly of God in Phoenix in overseeing Haggard, according to a letter from Haggard read at New Life services on Sunday. 'Those men will perform a thorough analysis of my mental, spiritual, emotional and physical life. They will guide me through a program with the goal of healing and restoration for my life, my marriage and my family," Haggard wrote.'"
This statement doesn't sound like repentance to me! It sounds like public relations. That's the last thing he should be engaged in after what has happened.
posted by DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at
11/07/2006 2:07 PM
I agree with you, Stuffed Animal. And all Dobson and his band of self-righteous zealots will do is make Haggard hate himself even more than he already does. Going to them for "analysis" is another thing he shouldn't be doing. I hope that someone somewhere will be able to get through to him that he can be a happy, healthy gay man before he sinks even further and decides to remove himself from this life.
Patricia Hansen
Portland, Oregon
posted by , at
11/07/2006 4:20 PM
I am exgay and I wouldn't allow Dobson to be near my home or family! This is just escalating into a propaganda opportunity. This is well on it's way to be the prodigal son story. Oh brother!
posted by , at
11/07/2006 5:32 PM
They could not have scripted it any better. Argh!
posted by , at
11/07/2006 8:33 PM
Well, In the state of South Carolina, the marraige amendment that states only 1 man and 1 woman shell be legal, so for me as a gay man, I may as well get married to a female& have kids and just pay a male husler as Haggard did, No gay couple in S.C. will be honored But instead considerd 2nd class citizens.
~ Ken
posted by , at
11/07/2006 10:05 PM
"I am exgay and I wouldn't allow Dobson to be near my home or family!"
It sure sounds like he, or someone like him, has gotten near you, if not in person, then in philosophy! I'll say this one more time for emphasis: Gay people exist. Bisexual people exist. Straight people exist. Sexually confused people exist. "Ex-Gay" people do NOT exist. It is a mythological identity created by Religious Right Wingers to help advance their theocratic agenda. It is also an unsubtle slam against Lesbians and Gay men which suggests that their sexual attraction is both undesirable and "correctable."
In the process of clarifying one's sexual identity, there's no need to denigrate that of others, and there's no excuse for it, either. Anybody who comes to the conclusion that homosexual acts are wrong for him or her has my support. I have no problem with them abstaining from homosexual conduct, engaging in heterosexual conduct and identifying as heterosexual. I don't even have a problem with the word "Straight" like some folks do. However, I will always take strong exception to the fallacy, the absurdity, the bigotry and the insult of people who insist on calling themselves "ex-Gay." You either are homosexual or you aren't, and anybody who claims otherwise is just as guilty of factual distortion as Ted Haggard.
posted by DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at
11/08/2006 2:27 PM
Gay people exist. So do ex-gay people. Okay - you made your point. I never heard of Dobson until long afterwards. So SA quit telling me who I am. You don't like from others why are you doing it to me???? Not everyone who is gay today can be exgay tomorrow. Not everyone changes or can change. So what?! Stop the personal attacks. I have supported gay rights, laws, etc... and you still insist that I am against you. Sorry son, but you took one path - I took another - isn't that acceptable in the world of diversity???
posted by , at
11/08/2006 7:31 PM
And I can damn well call myself whatever I damn well please. Oooops, did that upset you? Pardon me for restuffing my chair where the soul custumarily sits!
posted by , at
11/08/2006 7:33 PM
The problem is the political and social ramifications of the term "ex-gay." Yes, of course you have every right to call yourself ex-gay, but to hear it brings about suspician and fear. Semantics need not be used where there is no political agenda. If you were once gay and are no longer gay, people would feel more comfortable if you called yourself straight. Do you get my drift at all? You seem to be an intelligent person, so I believe you can dig where I and others are coming from. Again, I stress, it isn't important where you have been. It's where you are now that matters. And again, semantically speaking(if that is a word) I would never refer to a M to F trannie as an ex-man. Why would I call you ex-gay? It's not what you were, but what you are. And you are...straight. Am I wrong?
posted by jekelhyde, at
11/08/2006 8:50 PM
Because I used to be gay. I was not a heterosexual stuck in a lesbian life. So - it is kind of different - but I get your drift, too. And it's the story of my whole life not just parts. Yesterday was as important as today. So it does matter who I was. And yes, I can understand that it may cause fear and suspicion but that's on someone else's mind - not mine. I would never tell a gay man or lesbian that they must change or that they are any less valueable because of being gay. And neither am I less valueable. I hate the political crap more so than most. I despise Dobson and his group for taking children and parents and making promises where none can be given. Thank you for understanding, JH.
posted by , at
11/08/2006 10:04 PM
"Because I used to be Gay. I was not a heterosexual stuck in a Lesbian life."
You simply cannot stop yourself from saying snide things about Lesbians and Gay men, can you? Isn't it because that's exactly what you troll websites like this in order to do? I'm convinced that you're nowhere near as naïve about sexual orientation as you purport to be. You've been reading and posting to Wayne's site long enough to know better than to keep saying what you say.
You're one of these hardened bigots who refuses to be educated, but you try to hide your intolerance behind a friendly mask. You have a deceitful agenda that involves claiming support for Gay Rights on the one hand, but pushing the "ex-Gay" concept whenever you get a chance. Who do you think you're fooling? You're about as transparent as you can be.
I would have more respect for you if you just stated outright your ideological opposition to homosexuality. But no, you won't do that! You're a wolf in sheep's clothing, but anybody who looks closely can see that ratty wolf's tail sticking out from under your fake wool.
"Oooops, did that upset you? Pardon me for restuffing my chair where the soul custumarily sits"
So you've got no soul? Is that what you're saying? If so, you can get it back anytime you want. Just start telling the truth!
posted by DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at
11/09/2006 11:17 AM
I don't oppose homosexuality. End of subject SA. You are sooooo imposing your hatred for others onto me. You have no idea of my story, my life, my ideas or anything. You are as bigoted as they come.
posted by , at
11/09/2006 12:06 PM
Here's another gimmick out of the religious Right Wing trick bag . . . accusing the people of they hate (Lesbians and Gay men) of being bigots whenever we dare to call them on the carpet for their own bigoted behavior. So I'm the intolerant one, am I? Intolerant of theocratic crap? Guilty as charged, and proud of it, too! Feel free to consider me your own personal Ku Klux Klan! So long as you continue to spout your honey-coated poison, you can count on Stuffed Animal to provide the fangs that consistently sink into your stealthy ass. At the end of the day, I still won't be giving any quarter to your "ex-Gay" propaganda, and you'll still be the one hiding behind a mask!
posted by DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at
11/09/2006 1:26 PM
Oh. I see, you must have a target to hate. This is not propganda on my part - it's obvious that you hate me. Hmmm? Okay.
posted by , at
11/09/2006 1:41 PM
"I would never refer to a M to F trannie as an ex-man."
Oh, yeah? What about the X-Men? And don't tell me they aren't gay.
posted by , at
11/22/2006 3:27 PM
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