Wayne Besen - Daily Commentary

Thursday, June 26, 2008



The following ad was pulled in the UK after complaints. It is a tasteful ad and should have stayed on the air. Ads and sit-coms should begin showing gay couples. There should be nothing controversial about gay affection. If people have psychological issues with it, they need to get help. Gay relationships are just as normal and natural as any other and must be reflected as such in the media and advertising. The only thing offensive about the ad was that it was mayo, which is about this most disgusting slop ever created.

The American Family Association has gone ballistic with this. So, please call Heinz and let them know you are upset about them pulling the ad - 800-255-5750

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I get the impression that these 2 guys are supposed to be Oscar and Felix (The Odd Couple), at least the chef looks a lot like Jack Klugman. It was a cute little spoof, I dont know why the wingnuts get their panties in a wad over nothing. They probably see this as yet another sign that gay people are being accepted and mainstreamed into society; something which is now unstoppable. I remember these same types of reactions in the mid 60s when black people began showing up in TV commercials. And of course, the outcome of this absurd hatred will be the same. Justice wins (eventually), bigots will LOSE!
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/26/2008 10:50 AM  

Thanks, Wayne, good job. Segment would have been better if the anti-gay wasn't allowed to get out his talking points at the end.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/26/2008 10:50 AM  

Wayne:

You did do an excellent job on the show. Unfortunately, it was in the service of Satan. You are one of his leading spokespeople and leading people down the wrong path - to the underworld.

Wayne, there is hope for you. Hell is real. You do not have to spend your life defending a depraved lifestyle and trashing a wonderful saint like James Dobson. If you repent, you can be saved.

Jan Smith, Oklahoma
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/26/2008 4:47 PM  

Wayne,

Follow the advice of Ms. Smith, and you will indeed learn that Hell is real! She herself will lead you there. Don't make the mistake of thinking this woman worships God. By admission, she worships James Dobson, and that means she's got one foot in Hell already.
posted by Blogger DC HAMPTON JACOBS, at 6/26/2008 5:07 PM  

Oh wow, we have a winner here.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/26/2008 5:10 PM  

Wayne:

Great Job.

Keep up the great work.

--
Paul in Atlanta
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/26/2008 5:56 PM  

Jan Smith, whoever you are in redneck Oklahoma, get the straw out of your ears.

Check out the following website Smith and tell us why you aren't addressing the very damning quotes aimed at heterosexuals. Why do you dismiss them but reserve Leviticus to justify your bigotry, hypocrisy and homophobia? While we're at it, what is the obsesssion about gay people that prompts you to come to a gay website anyway? You need to look at the website posted below. Your work is cut out for you and your demented rabble. You and trash like Dobson believe in scripture, so get to it Smith, start with your own kind first.

www.fallwell.com
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/27/2008 6:26 AM  

One Gay UK organization has countered the Heinz debacle with a beautiful front page depiction of two men locked in a gorgeous embrace. Check it out.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-8125.html#
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/27/2008 9:24 AM  

Wayne writes that “[g]ay relationships are just as normal and natural as any other…”

This raises a few questions:

1) How do you know that? By what authority and by what objective standard do you make this claim?

2) Is your view falsifiable, and if so, how?

3) Is what is “natural” automatically and by necessity “moral”?
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/27/2008 11:09 AM  

bozrah--bigotry is natural. It's just not moral. So your point is well taken. normal and moral are not the same thing.

Heterosexuality is normal. it's just ezxcruciatingly common, though exclusive heterosexuality is far less ocmmon than you owuld like to bleieve.

Heterosexuality and morality are not the same thing either

There is no such thing as a normal relationship. all hets are not alike, any more than gay people.

there are good het relatiomnships and bad ones-- just like gay people.

so get off your moral high horse anfd stop judging others. Oh wait, that's what Jesus had to say.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/28/2008 11:56 AM  

Sorry- it was supposed to read Heterosexuality is not normal.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/28/2008 12:07 PM  

Ben, I don't know what Bozrah's point is or whether he is trying to agitate. Though I'm not sure of Bozrah's religious or party affiliation, I'm sick and tired of these christo-fascist, right wing neocons. Why is it that none of them ever address the doublestandards when it comes to their own party?. Case in point, here in New York City recently, a GOP politician by the name of Vito Fossella who was a proponent of a ban on same-sex marriage and espoused the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman with an emphasis on the "family", was discovered to have had a clandestine extra-marital relationship in which he fathered a child. These are the same sycophants who legislate against us. Not one word was heard from the Log Cabin republicans about any of this and not one key republican politician gave him a drubbing as they did Democratic Governor Spitzer. I've said this before and I'll say it again and again. The GOP is morally bankrupt. In my opinion, GOP = the party of HATE!
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/28/2008 7:46 PM  

I certainly never meant Ben to come across as being on a "moral high horse" or as "judging others" - in the obviously negative light you place the latter - and apologize if that's how my authentic and honest questions came across.

To address your last point first, I would say that your quoting of Jesus on that point is a bit misleading. If you accept the New Testament's representation and presentation of the life and teachings of Jesus, as your apparently do, it seems you then would have to accept the whole picture to remain consistent, or justify a reason why you reject a particular piece of the picture as not being accurate and in line with the whole.

Concerning Jesus' command to "not judge" others, many people who accept Jesus' teaching and agree with it don't necessarily read the command within it's greater and lesser context. In context, Jesus is telling his followers not to judge one another. In Luke's biography, Jesus speaks of seeing a speck in a brother's eye. And in John's, Jesus says, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." So, for example, if someone steals, lies, or murders someone, it would be proper and consistent to make a judgment and say that the actions were morally wrong.

With all due respect Ben, you didn't answer the questions I posted above. It was Wayne who wrote that gay relationships are normal and natural. I basically wanted to know (a) how he knows that (i.e., what's the authority/standard), (b)if his view was falsifiable, and (c) is "natural" equivalent to "moral." You did say that what is "normal" is not necessarily "moral." The question concerned "natural," however.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/29/2008 1:32 PM  

I'm sincerely not trying to "agitate" anything. I saw Wayne and saw this posting, and was interested as to what he or his readers thought concerning the questions I raised. As should be obvious, the questiosn didn't concern anything related to politics or party affiliation, so I'm not sure where Robert's points came from, unless they were addressing what someone else said elsewhere. There's obviously no question as to the double standards and lack of consistency by politicians in both major political parties on a wide array of issues. Unfortunately, that's politics.
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