Wayne Besen - Author, Activist, Columnist, Public Speaker

Monday, April 20, 2009

It is fair to say that I have officially driven the so-called "ex-gay" industry to distraction. The proof is in the pudding.

The group, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays (PFOX), is now trying to discredit me by making false accusations about an alleged incident in Orlando. A couple of years ago, I organized a protest in this city against the "Ex-Gay Educators Caucus," which hosted a booth inside a convention hall at the National Education Association's annual meeting.

Following our protest, I wandered in to the hall and approached the ex-gay booth. I did not think twice about doing so, since I had been to dozens of ex-gay meetings, booths and conferences over the years without incident.

Once at the booth, I asked one question: How many ex-gay educators were in the so-called "ex-gay caucus?" I asked, because all I saw were professional anti-gay activists posing as legitimate educators.

Before I got an answer, I was verbally and physically accosted by anti-gay activist Greg Quinlan. I told him in no uncertain terms to back off. I do not apologize for this - as it is my right to basic self-defense. I'd do it again without hesitation.

In a bizarre twist, after deliberately trying to provoke a confrontation, Mr. Quinlan called the "mall cops" to play victim - even though he was the aggressor. It was the most bizarre thing I had seen in my 20 years of activism. The incident was as pathetic, as it was perplexing.

Of course, the outcome of the non-incident was that I peacefully walked away with the mall cops and immediately went to a meeting with the GLBT educators caucus. I gave a short speech. There was no police report - not even questioning - of the alleged "incident." No time in the cell block at the big house. Indeed, no one in the hall really noticed that anything had happened - because it really hadn't.

Yet, PFOX is now sending out a surreal press release that exaggerates the truth and is pure fiction. Why? Because PFOX is on a pathological campaign to create fake "hate crimes" out of thin air against ex-gays. The group's goal is to get "ex-gays" included in the hate crime bill in Congress. With no real hate crimes against so-called ex-gays - PFOX had decided to invent them. Thus, if you approach a booth, they call the cops and make false charges allegations.

Indeed, they did this last year at a state fair in Virginia. They blew an incident out of proportion and claimed to be victims. Interestingly, once again, there was no police report. The police did confirm that something happened - and that PFOX complained - but, again, there were no arrests and no charges filed.

A few weeks later at the Falls Church fair, Mr. Quinlan tried to create another fake hate crime. Unfortunately, he threatened to call the police on Nick Benton, publisher of the Falls Church News Press. Thus, his agenda was exposed in the meia and his credibility shattered.

A disturbing pattern has emerged from PFOX.

1) They buy a booth at a local fair.
2) They provoke a confrontation
3) They call the cops, even as they have no evidence, thus there are no arrests, nor police reports.
4) They send out propaganda to the media blowing these non-events - that they provoked - out of proportion. Or they embellish or simply make things up.

In light of this creepy trend, I would strongly advise all GLBT people and their allies to stay away from PFOX booths. They are looking to create trouble because it is an organization that relies on fakery and trickery to disguise the emptiness of its mean-spirited agenda.

I'm not mad, really. At this point, I just feel sorry for these folks. They can't accept their gayness and refuse to love their gay children. Instead, they have created a poisonous house of cards designed to harm their own families. PFOX and their allies are losing this battle and they have become desperate and outlandish. I just hope those involved in this organization seek the help they need - before they self-destruct in anger and bitterness.

52 Comments:

One of the best ways to combat this might be to bring a video camera with you when trying to address them, maybe even a hidden one. Or better yet, tell them that you have hidden nanny-cams set up around the booth location to trap them in their lies. The intense paranoid wailing and nashing of teeth that this would undoubtedly create would be worth it.
posted by Anonymous, at 4/20/2009 6:19 PM

"The intense paranoid wailing".

From what all I've heard, "paranoid" is the operative word in Greg Quinlan's world.

I agree about the camera - who would turn their children over to somebody like HIM?

And I also agree that gay activists should just leave PFOX be. Let them get paranoid and suspicious of some average Joe asking them a question, and watch them fly off the handle at the innocent person who knows very little about the "ex-gays".

It seems to me that they behave like paranoid drug dealers, only allowing "trustworthy-looking" people into the drug house, and going ballistic at anybody else passing by.
posted by S., at 4/20/2009 6:25 PM

Typical. They haven't a shred of truth or reality on their side so they have to fabricate it by any means possible.
posted by Buffy, at 4/20/2009 8:33 PM

In a most dishonest attempt to gain credibility they call themselves "Parents and friends of Ex-gays and Gays". Every now and then I send them an email or leave a phone message and ask "In what way are you the friend of gays?" - needless to say they've never responded.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/20/2009 8:56 PM

Wayne, you may already be aware of this, but Josephy Nicolosi will be one of the speakers at a "Gay Cure" conference in London next weekend to spread his lies and fraudulent claims.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12074.html#
posted by Anonymous, at 4/21/2009 8:48 AM

Good for you Wayne. Wouldn't Parent and friends of ex gays really be Parents and friends of straights. I don't get it. Are they now classifying themselves in limbo? TA WISTED!!! It is actually terribly sad. I think these misguided gay men and women are in much more pain than we know. Denial must be confronted however. Again i say, good for you Wayne. You rock. By the way, did you happen to see Randy Thomas staring at your crotch while you were in Orlando?
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/21/2009 7:28 PM

Wayne,
Nice gay name....
Your appearance on O'Reilly tonight was interesting...
One one hand you say that any one who supports "traditional" marriage as Bill calls it...I call it MARRIAGE is anti gay, anti homosexual, and a bigot...simply an incredible leap.

If I thought you were a communist and said, "you stinking little piece of s*** commie..." Is that being bigoted?

If I thought you were a communist fag and said, "you stinking little commie fag..." am I being a bigot against you being a communist or being "gay?"

You said you are "tolerant" toward those with conventional views. My oh my, isn't that magnanimous!

In state after state The People have voted against so called "gay marriage." There simply is no such thing...anymore than there are Gay Toilets.

A toilet by definition is a porcelain bowl and a tank with water that flushes the waste of humans. If it were a gay toilet it would be only porcelain, or simply water, not the combination. So, a gay toilet is not a toilet, since it can't flush.

A gay marriage is not a "marriage" since it can't join in union.

A nut and a bolt is a union, like a male and female.

Two nuts cannot make a union. Two bolts cannot bind.

You are so warped by your "gayness" and this notion that you want the traditional community to "accept" you as normal, when you clearly are not NORMAL, it is pathetic.

I don't give a shit what gay people do in there bedrooms and I resent your belief that you have the right to MAKE us accept your behavior.

Since it is unlikely for you to reproduce, I can ask this hypothetical question...if you were to have a SON...would you train him to be a fag?

If you had a SON who wanted to be with WOMEN, would you think him a BIGOT?

I don't give a damn, if you think if we support traditional sexuality that I am a bigot. It is not a crime to be one.
Yet...at least.

The fact is...it is you who hold the prejudice against us straight folks.
I'd say..."see you in hell" but I ain't going there.

By the way, I have a gay son, and have had many gay friends, as well as lesbians, but they don't ram it down my throat...no pun intended.

The good news is that gayness is Darwinian suicide...since you won't reproduce.
CB
posted by Anonymous, at 4/21/2009 10:43 PM

CB: you are a bigot because of your thoughts period. Gay people are not seeking your permission and straight people do not get to legislate based on their backward homophobic sexist thoughts. You are not at the top of a pyramid. You just think you are so either humble your ignornat self or we will tear you off your delusional pedestal kicking and screaming. REMEMBER DUFUS: NO ONE IS ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL. WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. You replace every hateful remark you made against "gay" people and replace that word with "straight" or "black" and then you can go hide your filthy face in the dirt where your limited little thinking box of a world deserves to reside. In other words: go to hell bitch. Wayne is a lot nicer than many of us commie fags. You just are too narrow minded to know any people that are different from yourself.
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/22/2009 2:26 AM

CB: by the way. we do reproduce. Now BE EVEN MORE AFRAID!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/22/2009 2:29 AM

I don't think CB Maxwell is afraid. I think he's just very annoyed. And I understand what he's saying. But in the long run, in the bigger picture, I think he's wrong. And I think I could come up with good counter-arguments. (I don't want somebody to be my enemy just because of my sexuality. There are plenty of other GOOD reasons to have enemies).
posted by Joey, at 4/22/2009 5:10 AM

CB, your ignorance is dazzling. Have you ever heard of invitro fertilation a method of impregnating a female where the male partner can't procreate in the natural manner? Millions of heterosexual and gay couples use this method, so the notion that same-sex couples can't procreate is grossly flawed.

Secondly, if your rationale for marriage is procreation and I suspect it is, what do you say to the heterosexuals who marry or intend to marry but do not wish to procreate or can't for whatever reason. Ban them too? You can't have it both ways. You're an absolute moron. It must be pretty dark in your closet from which you'll never emerge.
posted by Anonymous, at 4/22/2009 9:05 AM

CB ~ I wonder if your gay friends and son are aware of your thoughts on this subject?

Why would you want to deny these cherished people the same rights as you have?

I mean, I always want what is best for my friends...and if there's anything I can do to make a friends life better I do it. Selfishness has no part in a friendship...
posted by TrevorHere, at 4/22/2009 9:17 AM

Allow me to answer the following questions:

Since it is unlikely for you to reproduce, I can ask this hypothetical question...if you were to have a SON...would you train him to be a fag?

If you had a SON who wanted to be with WOMEN, would you think him a BIGOT?

I know gay/lesbian couples who have straight sons living with them and are flourishing, who have adopted straight children, who are raising adopted straight children with disabilities (physical, mental, and drug related), who have adopted biracial and Black children and are growing up straight.

In my case, my son or daughter would be allowed to be whatever his/her genes dictated, to find happiness and love with a woman or a man, whatever would fulfill him or her. You can't train anyone to be happy with a sexuality that it's not his or hers. It's as if I were to train you to be gay (here thinking you are not a closeted gay), it doesn't work, does it?

The question that I have for DB Maxwell is:

Why is it that none of you of the Christian right go out and adopt the unwanted and needy children like we do? Instead all you all do is to vociferate about the right to life and same sex marriage! The proof is in loving actions towards other human beings, as per Jesus Christ, not the hot air you hypocrites spew!
posted by richard schillen, at 4/22/2009 9:18 AM

Umm Maxwell, you'd better find nurse Mildred Ratched and fast, sounds like you missed a few too many doses of your psychotropic meds. You can soon be happily tied in your chair and watching the Cartoon Network.
posted by Anonymous, at 4/22/2009 10:45 AM

"Two nuts cannot make a union."

That's bullshit: Janet Folger recently got married!

And who other than a nutcase would marry a nutcase like Janet Folger?

And don't even get me started on Beverly and Tim LaHaye.
posted by S., at 4/22/2009 11:29 AM

Don't forget Eva and Adolph!
posted by Anonymous, at 4/22/2009 12:52 PM

"You replace every hateful remark you made against "gay" people and replace that word with "straight" or "black" and then you can go hide your filthy face in the dirt where your limited little thinking box of a world deserves to reside. In other words: go to hell bitch."

This comment from an unnamed poster is an example of the intolerance in the gay community...name calling, insults and misrepresentation. I can't any thing in my post that is "hateful" other than make the observation that gay marriage is an oxymoron. thanks for all the posts!!!
posted by Anonymous, at 4/22/2009 2:43 PM

Joey7777: Stop bending over for these idiots. They think they define what god itself is. Wake up. You are being made into an enemy of their defintiton of god. You need to stand up to them and stop understanding and making excuses for their fucking hateful lying crap.
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/22/2009 3:06 PM

CB Maxwell: I am not an unnamed poster. I can be identified as easily and as thoroughly as you. Yet another lie from a desperate homophobe kicking and screaming about his ignorant religious teachings you bought lock stock and barrel without ever questioning why you think it is ok to hate others and sit piously in your dream world pontificating without consequence. I give what i get and you gave hate. As far as insults and misinterpretations go, i again suggest you read your own posts and look in a mirror. You are profoundly pathetic with your attacks and even more stupid to think gay men and women are going to sit back and smile at your evil vicious bullshit. You are an oxymoron and a moron as someone posted earlier because you are a passive aggressive ignorant human being who thinks you are better than people who have nothing in common with you. Well you aren't. As a matter of fact, there are millions of gay people who are better than you can ever dream of being. And i have nothing to thank you for regarding your posts because they are indeed hateful. Calling the marriage between two people of the same gender invalid because you simply cannot and will not accept it is hateful and of no concern to me.
That is because gay people who happen to think highly of themselves in a culture that is very hostile towards them due to non thinking people like you are a helluva lot stronger than you will ever be. By the way, you may want to notice that unlike you, no one here posted a thank you for your disgraceful comments.
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/22/2009 3:29 PM

CB: and you had better beg god and your son for forgiveness. Don't wait like every other coward similiar to yourself until you are on your deathbed to do so.

YOUR WELCOME.
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/22/2009 3:36 PM

Yo Mr. Mail...
"Calling the marriage between two people of the same gender invalid because you simply cannot and will not accept it is hateful and of no concern to me."

Indeed, I have no interest in "knowing" you, and it is not a "lie" to say your posts are anonymous as in from "mail"

If my views are "no concern" why take the time to post your stupid vapid insults that don't even address my basic question, which is: Wayne said on O'Reilly that ANYONE who opposed same sex "marriage" is a bigot.

DEFINITION: –noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Mr. Mail has demonstrated in all his/her posts that you/he are indeed a bigot and totally intolerant of my view that marriage is by definition the union of a man and a woman and has always until modern times been a religious, not a secular foundation of a civilized society.

A "cat" can say he wants to be a dog, and he can act like one, but that doesn't make him a dog. If I tell the cat he is not a dog, that does not make me a bigot. The so called "hostility" of society toward gays is a myth. The hostility, violence, name calling, threats to property of contributors of Prop 8 demonstrate clearly the militancy of the gay mafia.

The fact is, straight people don't give a crap what homosexuals do in the privacy of their homes, or businesses, but stay out of the schools, and quit selling the propaganda, that the gay lifestyle is all sweetness and light. We know it is not.

Oh, and just for the record, statistically speaking lesbians have the most stable and long lasting relationships. And statistically, gay men are the most promiscuous which does not lead to stable relationships.
posted by Anonymous, at 4/22/2009 7:32 PM

mail : I'm not "bending over for these idiots". I'm just secure enough in myself that I don't need to call people "idiot" just because I intensely disagree.
posted by Joey, at 4/22/2009 9:35 PM

CB Maxwell : I don't know if your last paragrph is statistically true or not, but I wouldn't doubt it. That's partly because there are inherent differences between males and females to begin with. (But that's beside the point on whether one agrees gay marriage should be legalized or not).
posted by Joey, at 4/22/2009 9:40 PM

Bequiet CB. You are digging your hole even deeper with your rhetoric about cats and dogs. And if i want to discuss what publc institutions do with my taxdollars, you are the last one i will seek advice from much less permission. You are a perfect example of trailer trash snobbery. That means you are willing to deny others what you yourself so blindly take for granted. You give more than a crap what gay people are doing and thinking. Don't lie. This is not my bedroom. You are a fool.
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/22/2009 10:52 PM

Joey7777: I have nothing against you because i know you are not my enemy. That being said i disagree with your display of passive understanding toward those that emulate the same sentiments of others who are out to destroy our very being. It was not that long ago millions were marched into gas chambers and there are still horrific hate crimes going on today. This CB character is an ass that must be silenced. The problem is he/she probably thrives on negative attention. Therefore no more response from me about this on this particular post. I am not playing into this game that has purposely been eroded into talks of animals and gay toilets. He/she is an insulting piece of shit and i shove the hate that is given right back in the faces of such people. You may want peace, i want laws that protect me and i am not waiting around for poison like CB to finally find the light. It is outrageous such a person would try to have anyone believe they possess the friendship of any gay men or lesbians at all. It is a lie full of hate and self delusion and anyone who tries to be serious about this subject can only dismiss CB as an IDIOT.
posted by Spouse Walker, at 4/22/2009 11:05 PM

CB, there you go again. So gay males are far more promiscuous than anyone? How do you respond to heterosexual males who philander and breed with other women while married and what do you say to the 50% hetero failed marriage divorce rate? There are far more of them than promiscuous gay males. While I'm at it....on a global scale, why are there so many straight brothels, prostitutes, international straight sex trafficking and straight John's who frequent them? Why don't you and your kind go clean up your own house before you start throwing stones at us? What a pitiful idiot you are. Get into therapy, fast.
posted by Anonymous, at 4/23/2009 8:34 AM

Did anyone read the article in the New York Times today by John Tierney in which he states that the Masters & Johnson study on ex-gay therapy was probably fabricated. Read on.

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/faked-evidence-of-gay-conversion/?em
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posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/23/2009 2:51 PM

Robert, thanks for the article on the Masters and Johnson study - that will be most useful to me in countering the lies of anti-gay bigots like CB Maxwell.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/23/2009 2:53 PM

CBMaxwell, being intolerant of the intolerance of murder does not make one intolerant any more than being intolerant of bigotry makes one a bigot. Wayne is correct, anyone who opposes equal marriage is by definition a bigot.

You say "marriage is by definition the union of a man and a woman and has always until modern times been a religious, not a secular foundation of a civilized society."

That's not true. Marriage long preceded any religion and religion as it typically does has attempted to co-opt the insttitution and claim the right to dictate its terms. Religion has no such right. Modern day marriage is a secular institution and the seperation of church and state means religion has no dominion over this secular institution. You have no right to force your religion on anyone else.

You say "The so called "hostility" of society toward gays is a myth.".

That would be funny if it weren't such an egregious lie. Tell that lie to the families of Jaheem Herrera, Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, Eric Mohat, and Lawrence King who all died recently as a result of the hostility towards gays that you and yours promote.

You said "The hostility, violence, name calling, threats to property of contributors of Prop 8 demonstrate clearly the militancy of the gay mafia.".

That's a preposterous characterization. There was no violence. The most celebrated example of this "violence" was when an obnoxious old lady tried to bully her way through a crowd of gay demonstraters to harrangue them, knocking over a disabled man on the way - she had a styrofoam cross knocked out of her hand. Nothing in comparison to the gay man who was beaten by a pro-prop 8 supporter at another rally and nothing compared to the murder and assaults of gays and lesbians that take place all too regularly.

You say "The fact is, straight people don't give a crap what homosexuals do in the privacy of their homes".

Puh-leeezzze! That's ALL you care about. You obsess over this day and night, its the entire basis for your bigotry.

Cb Maxwell said "stay out of the schools.

Gays and lesbians have just as much right to be in the schools as anyone else. And given the aforementioned deaths of either gay or perceived to be gay students at the hands of bigots like you we MUST be in the schools and doing something about this. But of course like the evil bigot you are you want to pretend there is no social hostility against gay while you secretly smile to yourself and take pleasure in the deaths and violence against LGBT people.

CB Maxwell said "quit selling the propaganda, that the gay lifestyle is all sweetness and light. We know it is not."

You're not in a position to judge anyone's life other than your own. I am a female transexual living with the most wonderful man in the world. Most of your type consider this a gay relationship. I've never been happier in my life. I regularly jump up and down in joy because of the life I have - you should wish to have such a life, it is most definitely nothing but sweetness and life.

CB Maxwell said "I don't give a damn, if you think if we support traditional sexuality that I am a bigot".

No one thinks your support of heterosexuality makes you a bigot, we affirm your right to do just that. Gays support gayness and we are not bigots. It is your opposition to gayness that makes you a bigot.

You said "The fact is...it is you who hold the prejudice against us straight folks.".

No, if we opposed your heterosexuality as you oppose our gayness, then we'd be prejudiced. The fact is that the prejudice is yours and yours alone.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/23/2009 3:33 PM

mail : I don't know Mr. Maxwell, so I'm not really saying where he's coming from, but it doesn't really matter to me if CB Maxwell wishes harm on me or not. The country is full of people who want to kill me for all kinds of reasons : homophobes because I'm gay; blacks because I'm gay and white; gays because I'm Catholic or have voted Republican; demented Southern hillbillies because I'm a Yankee...on and on. But as long as people behave themselves and don't actually physically attack me...it's fine (then it's a different story). But if a person doesn't approve of gay marriage, I don't think that alone makes him a homophobe. For some people it seems like too much of a bizarre change. I think we have to give some understanding to that. There are several times in history when we see changes to the collective psyche like that. If we went back to Medieval Europe we'd find most of the population saying one shouldn't criticize the king and queen because it had been arranged by God that they'd arrived on the throne, so criticizing them was sacriligeous, and assassinating them was out of the question. Seems like a ridiculous way to us to think, but...people did. And were raised that way. Anyway, Mr. Maxwell will have to realize that same-sex marriage will be recognized in this country before long, if not Federally, then in most states. Every poll shows the under-35 crowd believes in it. That doesn't even mean they're all-approving of every gay issue, but it shows they're at least like.....why not? And those against same-sex marriage will realize that it doesn't change their own lives at all, that nothing changes across the American landscape except for those people getting married.
posted by Joey, at 4/23/2009 6:33 PM

Joey, you've been banned from this blog. It is entirely dishonest of you to circumvent the efforts to prevent you from posting. Take a hint - you're not wanted and you have no right to force your presence when you've been told to leave.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/23/2009 7:35 PM

Joey 777: Finally a post with some thoughtfulness and logic. All of my comments were to simply point out what I consider to be the absurdity of "gay marriage." I don't hate anyone, and I haven't resorted to invective in making my points. However, some of you have chosen to call me an idiot, a bigot, a fool, I should be silenced (is that with duct tape or something more sinister?) I have been accused of needing medication, therapy, etc. All these attacks make my point that it is the homosexual mafia and their agenda which demands submission, much the way our Islamic extremists do. When I say, "keep out of the schools" I am referring to the propaganda and so called sensitivity training that is being imposed in California schools. And Joey may well be correct, that as Gen X moves into power, and the boomers die off, it will become "normal" but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be to the betterment of society.

One of the other posters said that marriage preceded religion...according to the Dictionary:
Origin:
1250–1300; ME marien < OF marier < L marītāre to wed, deriv. of marītus conjugal, akin to mās male (person) Origin:
1250–1300; ME marien < OF marier < L marītāre to wed, deriv. of marītus conjugal, akin to mās male (person)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marry

As the ol' saying goes, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

My view is simply that, an opinion, and for the record I have no preconceived notion that gays should be "stopped" from the notion of marrying, which California afforded them by means of "civil unions."
posted by Anonymous, at 4/23/2009 7:58 PM

LOL, CB the dictionary defines the origin of the word, not of the institution itself and even your dictionary reference shows the word does not originate with religion. Marriages occurred 10's of thousands of years before 1250 AD and when your religion was fabricated.

CB said " I don't hate anyone, and I haven't resorted to invective in making my points.".

LOL, your hatred is clear as is your lie about not using invective, you repeatedly referred to gays as fags, expressed your desire to see them eternally tortured ("see you in hell") ranted about how they aren't normal.

You call gays the mafia but now gays have ever killed a person because he was heterosexual, or bullied straight students into suicide because of their sexual orientation. Bigots like you laugh inside when gays die, its a big thrill for you, its you and yours who are the mafia. The examples of gays your bigotry has killed have been laid before you but you hide from that reality because it totally destroys your vain attempt to portray the victimizer as the victim.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/23/2009 8:50 PM

LOL...oh my goodness, we have entered into parallel universes...the root work of marry is MARY...for Christ's sake.

I have NOT "repeatedly" used the word fag, but once in my first post in making a distinction between being a bigot against communists, or communist fags. Get your facts straight.

As for the origins of marriage...try this...instructive.

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=historical+marriage+customs&page=1&qsrc=2106&ab=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.limarriages.com%2Fcustoms.html

From captives and harems to purchases and arranged marriages to the notion of one to one has evolved over time. And yes, it has always been religiously based...unless you have some "recorded" information before information was recorded.

But hey, never let the facts get in the way of well entrenched opinions.

I am done here.
posted by Anonymous, at 4/23/2009 10:47 PM

CB Maxwell : Gay mafia aside (hey, EVERY group, ethnic or otherwise, has its mafia- but don't judge all of the group's members by that mafia), I think same-sex marriage WILL be for the betterment of society, or at least neutral. I still can't see how having the legal benefits of a same-sex partner affects the sanctity of heterosexual marriage at all. I have three heterosexual married siblings, and I certainly expect and hope their marriages succeed.
posted by Joey, at 4/23/2009 11:17 PM

CB Maxwell said "I have NOT "repeatedly" used the word fag, but once in my first post in making a distinction between being a bigot against communists, or communist fags. Get your facts straight.".

LOL, you should actually read what you wrote. You used the word fag three times including suggesting that if Wayne had a son he would train him to be a fag - that's repeatedly you bogus fool. Once again it is you who started the invective contrary to your claims otherwise.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/23/2009 11:48 PM

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posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/24/2009 12:05 AM

Priya : Get off his case. You're no angel either (asking gay men, who DARE to disagree with you, if they have AIDS and therefore hate all other gay men).
posted by Joey, at 4/24/2009 12:08 AM

CB Maxwell said "LOL...oh my goodness, we have entered into parallel universes...the root work of marry is MARY...for Christ's sake.".

LOL, the jokes on you you moron! From YOUR own quotation the root word is marier, akin to male, NOT MARY! What a fool...

And as to your screed by religionists on marriage - Puh-leeeze! Of course a bunch of biased religionists would claim their imaginary god started marriage. Real historians and anthropoligists make it clear that is not the case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

"The way in which a marriage is conducted has changed over time, as has the institution itself. Although the institution of marriage pre-dates reliable recorded history , many cultures have legends or religious beliefs concerning the origins of marriage...the Nuer of Sudan allow for female-female marriage,....Like with the Greeks, Roman marriage and divorce required no specific government or religious approval...A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) issued in 342 CE prohibited same-sex marriage, but the exact intent of the law and its relation to social practice is unclear, as only a few examples of same-sex marriage in ancient Rome exist...From the early Christian era (30 to 325 CE), marriage was thought of as primarily a private matter, with no religious or other ceremony being required.
"

That's YOUR religion that the history of marriage predates, and in fact all religions. And its YOUR religion that didn't consider marriage a religious institution for over 1000 years.

CB Maxwell said "I am done here.".

Yeah, run like the coward you are because you know you can't defend your lies and bigotry. You've been served bigot.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/24/2009 12:13 AM

Joey - you're a liar, I haven't asked gay men if they have AIDS, I asked ONE person if he did. When someone obssively expresses hatred towards gays, says he is gay and all gay men are deviants, alcoholics, drug users, and into barebacking in anonymous encounters and that person suddenly drops out of sight its a fair question to ask if he has AIDS and that's why he hates gays so much.

Now go away troll, you're not wanted here, you've been banned and your forcing your presence on this blog is an evil act you won't see me carrying out.
posted by Priya Lynn, at 4/24/2009 12:22 AM

LOL. Priya Lynn using AIDS as a club to hit a guy (a gay activist, just not one YOU agree with) on the head with. Talk about wicked. And how in the world are you limited to knowing only ONE black person?! What coddled place do YOU live, Vermont?
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