Tuesday, June 09, 2009
(John Paulk, Left, Leaving Gay Bar)
The gross hypocrisy and outright cynicism is difficult to believe.
Focus on the Family is bringing their notorious ex-gay road show, Love Won Out, to Grand Rapids, Michigan this week. In response, Grand Valley State University is hosting my presentation, followed by a panel discussion on the danger of ex-gay programs.
Focus on the Family is livid and demands that the panel include anti-gay Focus on the Family speaker Michael Brown. They are urging their huge mailing list to complain and bully university officials.
"The 'Religion and Homophobia' panel discussion seems awfully one-sided for an event sponsored by the school's 'inclusion and equity' department," wrote Gary Schneeberger, vice president of media and public relations at Focus on the Family.
Focus on the Family might be taken seriously if they had actually extended an invitation to gay advocates and pro-gay preachers to speak at Love Won Out. I'd be more than happy to present my slide show, "Pray Away The Gay" on Saturday, at the Focus on the Family event. I'd even bring along the original photograph I took of Love Won Out's ex-gay founder, John Paulk, fleeing a gay bar.
Unfortunately, no such invitation was forthcoming. It seems that Focus on the Family has a double standard when it comes to inclusion and diversity. They demand representation, yet do not have the decency, manners and common courtesy to extend an invitation of their own. And, they wonder why their assertions of "love" and "morality" are deemed politically motivated and
insincere.
If you are encouraged that Grand Valley is offering this program -- "Religion and Homophobia: Spiritual Violence in our Community" -- then let the university know: 616-331-2221.
If you are in Michigan and would like to attend the panel, please visit
www.TruthWinsOut.org for more information.
Wayne Besen
Executive Director
Truth Wins Out
46 Comments:
Grand Valley State is a public insitution. They should invite persons from both sides of the debate. If I were a tax payer in Michigan I would be upset that both sides of the homosexual are not represented. LWO and TWO have every right to invite whom they want to speak. It is wrong that Wayne Besen is presenting only one side of the homosexual issue and the other side is left off the agenda
posted by Jeff Winter, at
6/09/2009 1:08 PM
Jeff, just like a panel on racial equality needn't invite the KKK to present there side, Grand Valley State needn't invite "Love" "Won" Out to a discussion on the damage caused by the oppression of gays.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/09/2009 1:40 PM
On this particular 'homosexual issue' jeff, there IS only one side!! The truth and FACTS (our side) vs. destructive, bogus, nonsensical, disproven bullshit! (your side).
posted by , at
6/09/2009 3:19 PM
ex gay ministries are not inclusive of anything or anybody. What a hypocritical statement. The only way to shut these people up is to make them realize that Jesus was gay. they have no proof otherwise.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/09/2009 3:51 PM
Jeff is operating under the delusion that every viewpoint is valid and should be heard. You're totally out of touch with reality Jeff. This is also why creationism shouldn't be taught alongside evolution - one is scientifically valid, the other is a farce.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/09/2009 3:52 PM
Jeff:
You are such a pathetic hypocrite. Here you are hiding behind taxpayers. What happened to your Christian notions of fairness? Would Focus on the Family not come from a position of strength if it had invited me first to speak at Love Won Out.
So, here you have it. These fundamentalists embrace liberal values of inclusion when it suits them, but refuse to practice what they preach.
Finally, Jeff, what other side? Every respected medical and mental health organization in America says ex-gay therapy is harmful. When you come up with one credible source or published, peer review study, maybe there will be another side. Until then, the taxpayers don't have to subsidize your exorcisms and touch therapy in the name of diversity.
posted by Wayne Besen, at
6/09/2009 4:03 PM
Based upon the words of the "ex-gay" crowd, one might be tempted to think that a huge group of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people who were once gay but became heterosexual are walking around in our midst. Either these huge multitudes are all keeping their identities secret (what a feat that would be), or, they don't exist. Why is it that the only vocal dozen or so of "ex-gays" are people who earn their living by claiming to be $o inclined?
posted by Chris L., at
6/09/2009 8:14 PM
Jeff is obviously a FOTF troll. If FOTF is this riled up, then you, Wayne, are doing something right. I think you hit the nail on the head. If FOTF believes in fairness, then invite you to Love Won Out.
posted by Mary, at
6/09/2009 9:35 PM
Jeff Winter: "Both sides of the homosexual?" It is my understanding that people in LWO are not identifying as gay. GOTCHA Girlfriend. Please check yourself into this world would ya please? By the way, you have not answered why you and your wacky religious haters are putting down our gay Jesus Christ.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/09/2009 9:57 PM
Ewe, I suspect that Jeff won't answer you because he is one of those self-hating LGBTQ Christians who can't even THINK that Jesus could have been gay.My God, that would mean that all his self-hatred and issues with happy, proud, out LGBTQ people would be so much dust. He has to cling to his nonsense because he has too much invested in it. If he accepted that gay people can be out, proud and happy, it would mean that his fundamentalist religion was dead wrong when it comes to LGBTQ people.
Jeff, the other side of homosexuality has caused so much damage to so many people that it is obvious that "reparative therapy" is nothing but quackery and dangerous quackery at that.
Have you looked at the video of the ex-gays and their testimony? Probably not. For Jeff Winter, it's "I've already made up my mind so don't confuse me with facts."
posted by Merlyn, at
6/10/2009 4:29 AM
Let me be clear about this. My issue with the panel discussion at Grand Valley State U is the fact that it's being supported by tax dollars. Specifically, the program is being facilitated by the college's LGBT Center. If I were a tax payer in Michigan I would demand that the other side of the homosexual debate is represented. It is evident from the response to my original email that those who made comments don't think there is another side. There is only the LGBT side. Tax payers should demand that every side of an issue (e.g. racism, abortion, nuclear, enviornment) be represented in the when issues are being discussed at a public institution. I think those who hold to a homosexual position would grow in spirit and character when we open ourselves to healthy debate and dialogue. I am personally tired when people on both sides of this issue lob their rhetorical bombs at one another and we never sit down at the table to discuss our differences. It's just too easy to stay in our little world and never have a hard discussion with someone we disagree with. That's what I want to see at the GLBT Center at Grand Valley State U. I would dare say that Wayne and others will only be speaking to the choir.
posted by Jeff Winter, at
6/10/2009 8:55 AM
Jeff Winter: The only debate about homosexuality is your unwillingness to accept that people are gay, hence the "ex gay syndrome" you create that Wayne consistently combats. You do not have a valid stance to appear there because there is no such condition as ex gay. You are a complete ignorant fool. If you have not figured out the inequality and oppression gay people are subjected to, perhaps you can admit that gay people are taxpayers too so keep your rediculous attempt to crash a seminar you are not invited to to yourself. You have the option to stand outside with your signs and be dismissed.
There is only the lgbt side regarding sexual orientation because twisted straight religious propagandists like yourself who have managed to get you to believe they dictate what everyone is can go to hell. It is you that buys into them being superior so choke on their evil deeds along with them Jeff. You are being used and we will bolt you down for allowing yourself to injure LGBT people of integrity and honor. In other words, fuck off you misguided cunt. You can have your pathetic day at the college just not the same one. Can you figure out that equation? 1 X 1 = 1.
Lastly, there is not one damn thing that is healthy about your so called debate and dialogue. You are filled with self hate and deep shame. We are not!!!! You are a pest at best to anyone like Wayne Besen. There are no differences. YOU ARE WRONG. APA STATES YOU ARE WRONG BY SAYING WHAT THEY HAVE SAID ABOUT HUMAN SEXUALITY FOR YEARS. You prefer to ignore everyone but yourself and people who think like you. As Robertnyc said, "get an example of straights being turned into gay people" or better yet the retarded fucks who would attempt to do such a thing? You are a retarded fuck Jeff Winter. This is not about a disagreement you idiot, this is about you being silenced for being a tremendous danger to an entire people you are trying to dismiss as substandard because of your damaged self esteem. Your own essence is shame Jeff Winter. Ours is not. You are a small person of little intelligence. You are a disgusting disgrace and i would slap your face and spit in it so get lost with your plea to discuss what you so arrogantly label differences. The choir as you call it is the only one i want to talk about my sexual orientation with. That is because i do not go around trying to convince haters that i need their approval. I don't. They can go to hell. And answer the question about your blasphemous distortion of one of the worlds greatest gay prophet, Jesus the Christ. You better shape up Jeff Winter. You are hurting people. You don't know it from this site only because everyone who comments on this site is so much stronger that you will ever be.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/10/2009 12:29 PM
Jeff Winter said "If I were a tax payer in Michigan I would demand that the other side of the homosexual debate is represented...Tax payers should demand that every side of an issue (e.g. racism, abortion, nuclear, enviornment) be represented in the when issues are being discussed at a public institution.".
That's rather foolish Jeff. What you're saying is that if a public institution dicusses racism they should invite the KKK to present their side of it - very few people would agree with you that just because a viewpoint exists it is automatically valid and deserves to be aired. The same goes for gayness, every major mental and physical health organization opposes the destructive hatred of the "exgay" industry and their "viewpoint" must be shunned at every step just like the KKK's "viewpoint" is. There is no room in a just and successful society for people who would oppress those who harm no one.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/10/2009 2:05 PM
Jerome said "I do have to agree with him when he talks about tax payers money supporting a one-sided presentation at that college in Michigan".
Yes, of course and if that college has a panel on racism they should invite the KKK just like Jeff suggested - can't have a one-sided presentation supporting racial equality. You and Jeff are morons Jerome - give your head a shake and come back after you clue into rationality.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/10/2009 6:26 PM
Jerome: Little darling of sorry verbal comments seems to have taken my line. " Get your head out of your ass" directed at Priya Lynn? You must have stolen that from me dear. I do not have to argue with Jeff Winter. He has nothing to argue about. It is all fantasy. No one censored Jeff Winters comments.
Jerome: You are the idiot in this post. What ever makes you think i care what you think? Not one of you sorry examples can answer why the distortion of the gay prophet Jesus is acceptable by these rabid self righteous wannabees? I am satisfied that no one will openly deny HE is/was a homosexual killed for standing up to this same hatred Jeff Winter promotes and Jerome disguisingly defends. As i said earlier, "go to hell". It is of no consequence to me whether one or the both of you do. I do not waver on hate. I give it back harder. Do you actually believe gay people who accept themselves will ever crumble to the likes of dirt such as misguided ex gay timidity? THINK AGAIN. The last word will not be from such vermin. Now go lick Rupert Murdochs balls and get away from me.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/11/2009 2:26 AM
Jerome said " If a conservative organization on this campus put on an anti-gay program you would be pissed as hell. Why...because tax payers money was paying for such a one-sided event. ".
You're deluded. I'd be upset because that organization was promoting injustice and inequality, not because it was one sided. If a group on this campus put on a one sided event opposed to racial discrimination I'd fully support that one-sided display - you and Jeff think the KKK would have to be invited to balance it out. Some viewpoints, like the KKK and the "exgays" are invalid and have no place being aired in a just, free, and equal society. You and Jeff are vacuous idiots.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/11/2009 2:06 PM
And according to Jerome when colleges have "Take Back The Night" events, they should be sure to invite a few dozen rapists. Otherwise, it would be too one-sided. One-sided is evil. There are other sides to the anti-rape debate you know.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/11/2009 2:25 PM
I think we can all do without more christofacist propaganda in a University setting. Religobabble has no place in a public discourse about facts. Casting bones and reading tea leaves are no less imformative or factual than jesusism.
posted by elaygee, at
6/11/2009 3:48 PM
As a student at GVSU I do not feel "ripped off" in any way that the panel consisted of individuals andvocating for and representing the LGBT population. West Michigan is incredibly conservative and hears anit-gay slander a majority of the time, probably one of the reasons that LWO is coming to town, they are going to make loads of money.
This event was helpful and encouraging for members of the GVSU/Grand Rapids community that are supportive and accepting of LGBT; what was not helpful was Dr. Brown attempting to get on his soap box. The invitation to your event would have sufficed. As was said last night, this event was put on in response to the LWO conference. I see no reason why the university needed to invite anyone from LWO. Let's not forget that the departments that worked together to put this on did so because of the students they serve.
posted by , at
6/12/2009 9:36 AM
Bravo Amy: Of course the mannerly discourse these cretons are demanding from us on this site has nothing to do with the anti gay slander you say exists on campus from the very same people. They are a bunch of hypocrites and must be silenced by any legal means possible. Don't give them one inch for their nonsensical crap and warped versions of being. They are like racists hootin and hollerin waving a conservative flag out of a used pick up truck. Old outdated ignorance that WILL be confronted and exposed for the low twisted self esteem it originates from.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/12/2009 12:40 PM
They already abandoned this post because they know full well they cannot find anyone to manipulate. There are no fragile souls here for them to puke into.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/12/2009 12:42 PM
I am a GVSU undergrad. The Thursday night program didn't serve me. As a tax payer of this state I am disturbed that only a pro-gay position was put forth. In a public institution other sides need to be expressed. Amy, if LWO was invited to come to the campus by a GVSU organization you would be po'd that your side wasn't included. I see absolutely no inclusivity by intolerant pro-gay people. I am not even sure why I am responding to you in this email because I will be blasted and called names for what I expressed. Generally, pro-gay people can be ugly....which doesn't help their cause.
posted by Annie, at
6/12/2009 11:21 PM
Annie, the viewpoint that stands for injustice, oppression, and inequality doesn't deserve a stage. "Love" "Won" Out doesn't deserve to be invited to this event any more than the KKK need to be invited to an event oppossing discrimination, or rapists need to be invited to a "Take Back the Night" event. Your idea that this sort of thing needs to be "balanced" is morally bankrupt.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/13/2009 12:28 PM
Annie: Too damn bad about you. As a taxpayer i am offended that there are so many ignorant people like you who think it is ok to put me down. Our cause is TO BE. Your cause is to stop that from happening. You are my enemy and you deserve to be called the worst of names possible. That is nothing compared to the evil that resides within your mind and those like you. Stop turning things around you ugly hearted hypocrite. Stand outside with your protest sign if you want. Poor little you and your cesspool of hatred! Can't handle the same thing splashed in your face can you. Stop making yourself out to be a victim. You are annoying.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/13/2009 2:31 PM
Jerome: you and Annie and the whole rotten bunch of you have the most twisted altered state of mind where you condemn others and when people stand up to you, all of a sudden you are being so victimized and can't understand the hostile words that thine eyes do see. Shocking. Boo Hoo. Go away. You are not going to put us down with this nonsense about being gay and then becoming ex gay. You are beneath the soil in my mind. You deserve nothing in your defense. There is nothing worse than people who use God to justify their dastardly condemnation. When such people come before me, i must treat you like the devil you are. Fuck off.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/13/2009 2:35 PM
LWO even will twist a loving god into something of hate and judgement. Of course it is fortunate they see it in their favor. Grow up. There is nothing worse than people who cannot handle offensive words but support demeaning people by saying they have no right to be. You religious zealots are dangerous and nothing short of a filthy disgrace in my mind. Nobody has yet answered why they condone putting down homosexuals when Jesus the Christ was one. TYPICAL.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/13/2009 2:40 PM
Jerome: I am quite together. keep your shitty childish rant to yourself. It will not silence me and what is the right thing to do. May i ask who screwed your mother up as a child? That is exactly the nonsense your pathetic statement just came off as. You punk. I was never abused and come from a very large family filled with love. Too bad your lousy science can't explain that one away either you fool. Go straight to your self imposed hell with your forgiveness. I don't need your damn forgiveness. I did nothing wrong to warrant that and all you are trying to do is make yourself feel better. You are a simple little human being. Pathetic at that, with your bible thumping small world view. Prove Jesus was a heterosexual and there you will find your evidence he was gay. Good bye Jerome. You bore me. Your intelligence and predictable replies BORE me. Now why don't you go back to feeling bad you are a faggot while other gay men of stature fight your low self esteem and tell young gay people they are fantastic and whole the way they are. "The way you think Jerome must come from your abusive past and who screwed you up as a child", i facetiously throw back at you.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/15/2009 12:23 PM
You antigay (ex gays?) are about one thing; SELF DENIAL. And in that personal pursuit for each of you, the damage you leave behind is horrific. I suggest you ask forgiveness for the heartache and hardships you are placing on people already feeling uneasy and afraid about who they are. Unfortunately for you deluded people, i am not one of those and cannot be influenced by your doubt and anguish. I am also no where near as caring as Mr. Wayne Besen who is so much more diplomatic with your toxic behavior than any of you (ex gays?)deserve. As i have said earlier, you people are my enemies but you are your own worst enemy! Go say a prayer about it and maybe you can sit in denial another day. If it was not so dangerous for gay youth, i would be able to acknowledge how sad you zealots have become.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/15/2009 12:48 PM
1) Jerome has been banned for gratuitously insulting people. I suggest he learn some basic manners.
2) The GVSU event was necessary because of the one-sidedness of Love Won Out - which is nothing but political propaganda and pseudo-scientific garbage. This is not even debatable. LWO is a joke and no serious person would defend it.
3) If Focus on the Family were a moral organization, it would set an example by inviting dissenting views to Love Won Out. If they had done so, GVSU would have likely done the same.
But, Focus on the Family is not a moral group. It wanted an exclusive event to bash gays with no dissenting voices at LWO....yet, it also wanted equal representation at GVSU. How is that fair? How is that Christian? How is this moral?
Focus on the Family has no interest in fairness or diversity. It is opportunistic and cunningly uses its resources to suppress debate when it can. And, whine "victim" when other people try to offer opposing views.
Focus on the Family will be allowed on panels as soon as they allow me to show my slide presentation at Love Won Out.
I'm waiting for my invitation.
posted by Wayne Besen, at
6/15/2009 2:07 PM
Here is the hard truth that Jeff Winter and Jerome can't handle:
There is no such thing as an “ex-gay” because smart human beings learn from experience and history teaches us:
1) Many of the top ex-gay leaders have failed.
2) The process has harmed many people. Survivors have spoken out on this site, Ex-Gay Watch, Box Turtle Bulletin, Truth Wins Out and Beyond Ex-Gay. The victims extend to spouses who marry (and divorce) people who are not attracted to them.
3) The ex-gay camp consistently must use scare tactics and lie about legitimate research to make its points. Ex-gay therapists do not have a track record of peer review studies and must resort to quoting each other.
4) The centerpiece of all ex-gay theory is that a person is gay because of bad parenting or abuse and neglect. There is not a shard of evidence to back this fabricated cause and effect model. In other words the very core of ex-gay theory is a lie. Why do they constantly repeat this fiction?
5) Ex-gay activists must resort to bizarre “healing” methods, such as touch therapy, slamming tennis rackets, excorcisms and calling friends “dude”. No serious, thinking person would give such nonsense the time of day. That is why such groups are rejected by the APA and other mental health orgs.
6) Ex-gay groups must rely on disreputable people, such as Richard Cohen, Scott Lively, Peter laBarbera (Porno Pete) Joseph Nicolosi and Alan Chambers. I can’t think of another group in America who would depend on such outlandish reprobates and then expect to be taken seriously.
5) Ex-gays tell us it really does not work. They are unable to lose their same-sex attraction and also unable to develop notable opposite sex attraction. Consider these quotes:
“By no means would we ever say change can be sudden or complete.” Alan Chambers. (LA Times, June 18, 2007)
I realize that I do live a life of denial. Not denial of who I used to be, not denial of who I could be today, but I deny what comes naturally to me. (A. chambers, Phoenix Love Won Out 2007)
“No one has ever left therapy saying, ‘Wow, I have absolutely no homosexual thoughts.” Joe Dallas (Los Angeles Times, April 5, 1990
“If an attractive man and an attractive woman enter a room, it is the man I will look at first.” Alan Medinger (The Wall Street Journal, April 21, 1993)
Obviously, if sexual orientation is not changing - this leaves us with suppressing basic human needs and desires. This denial may make a few people happy - because they have convinced themselves that depriving themselves of their needs will please God and get them into heaven.
But, for the vast majority of people, this process is dehumanizing, depressing and degrading.
Human beings need and deserve to love and be loved. Most people - but not all- require satisfying sexual expression to achieve happiness. Ex-gay groups tell clients that these basic needs are superfluous emotions and feelings that can be dismissed, squelched or compartmentalized.
Clearly, such programs usually lead to a psychological crisis or breakdown that can damage the individual - sometimes for life. Other times, it can lead to suicide.
Some people are gay. Others are bi. Some are hetero. That is just the way it is. Efforts at sexual engineering to make everyone cookie-cutter straights do not work and they never will.
Get over it. Just accept people and stop manipulating them because you have a flawed interpretation of an ancient book. This, of course, is what this really comes down to.
posted by Wayne Besen, at
6/15/2009 2:15 PM
Bravo Wayne,
What you say makes perfect sense. That is because you love and accept yourself. Those who oppose you do not. It is extremely simple to see. If these people cannot make you feel bad about yourself, the next step is to accuse and blame ones family of abuse. Then they have the audacity to stroke their ego further by offering prayer and forgiveness. Truth means nothing to them and their twisted goals. They disgust me.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/15/2009 2:45 PM
Ewe:
I agree with you. It is basically narcissism on their part. They set themselves up as paragons of virtue. Then they claim that God is impotent to act without them as the middleman. They are tools of the Lord - who cannot accomplish what he wants or cure homosexuals - without them playing a special holy role.
Talk about grandiose and ego-centric! If God really wanted gays to be straight, he would make it happen. He would not need charlatans like Alan Chambers or Melissa Fryrear to make this happen.
posted by Wayne Besen, at
6/15/2009 4:05 PM
Let me remind eveyone who have made recent posts (before we began to lob sarcastic bombs at one another)that I have strong feelings about a public institution, using tax payers money, to hold a program that addresses only one side of the homosexual debate. LWO and TWO have every right to host a conference/seminar that looks at only their side of the issue. I would contend that wherever LWO has a conference that TWO has its own conference in the same proximity. Better yet, TWO ought to host their own conferences all around the country and not do so in reaction to LWO. My basic premise is that a public institution should not use tax payers money to present one side of an issue. If they can't lift up different sides of an issue then they shouldn't host a seminar or conference. Wayne, why don't you organize your own conferences? You must know a boat load of people around the country that can help you put on a conference as well as or better than LWO. Instead of demonstrating outside of a LWO conference why don't you be proactive and do your own thing. Do it better than LWO. FYI...I have contacted the Dean of Students at Grand Valley State U. to encourage him to host a seminar in the future where someone like Wayne and a person from the other side of the issue can enter into a dialogue/debate. People that attend can see up front and close the issues involved from both sides. I am personally sick and tired of the posts that were recently placed on this website. I was to blame for part of the reactionary statements that were made.
posted by Jerome, at
6/16/2009 8:35 AM
Jerome: you are an imbecile. Have you ever heard of religious studies in a public institution you slow minded wanker? Are you screaming for atheists and agnostics to be allowed their voice in such arenas? NO YOU ARE NOT!!!!! That is because you are a hypocrite.
Has it ever dawned on the few brains cells you have that TWO would not need to exist if not for hate groups like LWO. The Southern Poverty Law Center exists for the same reason. What a tart!
NASA uses taxpayer money for one side of an issue too. It happens all the time everywhere. Stop harping on used toilet tissue. It smells Jerome. You sound like Bill Oreilly. Just cause you say it over and over and louder and louder does not make it more real or convince others. So shut it already. Your argument is tired, stale and inane. Of course you are to blame for these heartfelt posts Jerome. You refuse to realize that we are protesting the group you represent. You are rediculous.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/16/2009 12:11 PM
Get lost Jerome, you're not supposed to be here.
As to your statement "My basic premise is that a public institution should not use tax payers money to present one side of an issue.".
That premise has been proven false repeatedly. If such an institution has a panel on racism they don't have to invite the KKK to "present the other side". If such an institution has a "Take back the Night" event they don't need to invite rapists to "present the other side". When there is only one valid side to an issue that's the only one that need be presented.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/16/2009 12:13 PM
By the way Jerome, you are to blame for ALL the reactionary posts because it is only you and a few others who support the hate group known as LWO. You have been exposed. You just don't know it because you cannot or will not accept it: just like your sexual orientation. Gay people who respect themselves through self acceptance and maturity are honorable for attacking groups like LWO. Get a grip on reality.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/16/2009 12:29 PM
Thank you Priya Lynn: I am belly laughing because what you said was already posted by you more than once. What does it take to convince these morons? They are in so much denial about LGBT persons. They act like a screaming toddler locked up in a supermarket carriage demanding candy until they get what they want when what they need is a good smack across the ass for disrupting the public peace. Anyway, i laughed so hard cause i can hear what you say very clearly. Hubada hubada hubada. LMAO
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/16/2009 12:35 PM
No problem Ewe. Jerome thinks if he ignores the facts they'll just go away, instead he just looks like the fool he is.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/16/2009 12:43 PM
I am now convinced that Wayne Besen hires Pria Lynn and ewe to write their sarcastic and moronoic statements on his website. Or maybe they are family like Freddie Phelps and his hate-mongoring "church" in Topeka, KS. You two won't stick with the argument I made about tax payers money being used for a one-sided seminar at a public institution in Michigan. You need to go ballistic and call on the gates of hell to prevail against anyone who disagrees with you. And to me that's the rub. You two can't handle someone who actually has a different point of view. You are the epitomy of arrogant pride...thinking you are right and the rest of the world is full of crap. As soon as you read this post you will be back again blasting me or anyone else who might have a different opinion. It's a long life Pria L and ewe. Until the day you die there will "jerks" like me who will disagree with you.
posted by Jerome, at
6/16/2009 10:33 PM
Jerome said "You two won't stick with the argument I made about tax payers money being used for a one-sided seminar at a public institution in Michigan."
I destroyed your "argument" Jerome and you've got no response. Grand Valley no more needs to invite the "exgays" to this panel than a panel on racism needs to invite the KKK or a "Take Back the Night" event needs to invite rapists. The fact is that you know yourself that this is true and that's why you have no response. Your constant repetition of an already disposed of "argument" won't make it true. Now take off loser, you're not supposed to be here.
posted by Priya Lynn, at
6/16/2009 10:42 PM
Jerome: you are illiterate if you cannot see the words addressing your last attempt at making up reasons to get your message of hate out. It has been addressed more than once. You will need to admit you are somewhat dense for refusing to acknowledge that fact. I can handle people who have a different point of view. Priya Lynn is an independent person capable of speaking and standing alone. We do not even know one another. Of course your conspiracy theory is just another last ditch attempt to stroke your ego AGAIN. Since when do you think you represent "the rest of the world"? I will always blast you for being the arrogant ass you are when it comes to discussing your inablilty to accept your homosexuality. I cannot speak for anyone else like you seem to be able to for the "entire world" other than me and Priya Lynn of course but what i do say is strictly for the benefit of the silent reader who needs to hear you are a self hating gay man who cannot successfully come out of the closet. It is vital people read others who criticize your misguided existence. Get over yourself. You are annoying and hurtful to gay people. LWO is using you Jerome. Your implosive unprocessed psychological profile manifests itself in such a way that other gay people must arrive to combat the messy ideology you have created. Thank you for finally admitting you are a jerk though. I personally think you are much worse than that as well as an empathetic character who essentially hates himself. I noticed your lack of evidence offered for Jesus being heterosexual is yet another assumption you will blindly continue to hold onto. You are defintely different from me because you seem to be forever carrying the weight of battling with yourself. Go to North Korea with your ignorant idolatry Jerome.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/16/2009 11:48 PM
Better yet Jerome, apologize to everyone for your scornful remarks, forgive yourself for not being able to accept your orientation and perhaps tomorrow you can start your life with a new day.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/17/2009 12:20 AM
Good advice, ewe, but people like Jerome simply cannot accept who and what they are. He has too much denial and self-hatred to do that.
Jerome, Jeff, and Annie--there is no "other side" to homosexuality. All that exists is the religious wrong's homohatred and their desire to ram their outdatd theories and psychiatric quackery down our throats and to inject their venom wherever they can. When they cannot, they resort to tantrums.
There was NO need to invite LWO. Wayne went to GVSU to counter the homohatred young LGBTQ people suffer at the hands of bigots like FOF and their lapdogs, LWO. Has LWO EVER allowed Wayne to speak at their presentations. Of course not!
I guess "equal time" demands are for LWO people only. I am very happy that GVSU saw fit to exclude LWO. Their quackery does NOT work. At best they can get people to modify their behaviour. Well, I am not going to alter my behaviour. I am legally married and monogamous. If the religious wrong is uncomfortable then too bad.
posted by Merlyn, at
6/17/2009 2:45 AM
Jerome:
I do not hire them - but I wish I could, as they are very good at responding to your nonsense.
posted by Wayne Besen, at
6/17/2009 2:34 PM
Thank you Wayne.
And i doubt that what Merlyn writes will be read much less comprehended by Jerome any differently than the previous posts attempting to address his same "main concern" of taxes he monotonously dredges up like bad resentments.
Jerome: you are wrong about it being a long life. It is a very short life! A holiday (holy day)actually. Have you decided to let your openly gay brothers and sisters assist you in accepting and loving yourself today? That is one of the benefits we all enjoy from Waynes website. We do not attack each other based on our sexual orientation. LWO and FOF spend their days with obsessive severe animosity toward people like us. It is not only a waste of time but a hateful way to spend your life. You are making that choice.
posted by Spouse Walker, at
6/17/2009 3:16 PM
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